ooh I'll have to remember that Spends, I just thought the were all the same length (doh). What does the CAL stand for please Spends? She has some really different things on her site and seems a really nice lass - she only came to it through being poorly a few years ago, I think she's better now though. I've printed her lessons off and I'm going to have a go today & see if I can keep the blessed thing straight! Going to use a big hook thought I'd be able to see better where I'm going wrong. (I can knit anything but crochet seems so very foreign to me LOL !!)