My grandma learned me how to knit when I was 5 and Ive never had a problem with any pattern but like your lady said Roz, crochet is a whole different ball game. Talking of Kerry, I saw her on C&C a few days ago, scheech! there were 3 little C******** figures just under a hundred of your squids and then they brought out a set of 12 lickle birds at just under two hundred squids! I nearly choked. Very expensive IMO, 'specially for a once a year outing.